i finally had sex with a hairless ape
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TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-17 02:11:13
So now you really do have a bit of the animal in you.
Guess Who.   |2009-09-17 00:18:33
Really not sure if this is a comment on the evolution of your sexual self,
another whinge about a big personal mistake with a
particular partner or maybe something completely different and
fundamental to your emotional make up and worldview is being expressed and
communicated here.

WTF are you trying to say?
Anna   |2009-09-17 00:25:15
Resignation doesn't have to be that emotionally straightforward GW, a lot of us
are resigned to things in pretty ambiguous and illogical ways and that's
assuming we're aware of our motives at all.
ThePleasantVlleKid   |2009-09-17 02:14:14
Whats the red dot for?
Angie  - Aping it!   |2009-09-17 00:47:10
Girl, I know that fucking guy!
Sarah   |2009-09-17 01:57:34
TM, Your link doesn't work, what is it?
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-17 02:06:53
Sorry Sarah. I typed the subject heading , ' True to Type' in response to autotelic's post , one of the admins must have interfered
with my submission. It's happened before.
autotelic   |2009-09-17 02:40:51
Guess Who,

Are you a freshman in art school? 'WTF are you trying to say'? is
the most lame question you could ask, just go ahead and project, you'll come up
with something.
Julian VZ   |2009-09-17 02:48:30
I bet the hairless ape isn't complaining, but you look more disappointed than
ever.
Anonymous  - Through The Glass Darkly   |2009-09-17 03:02:28
What if you were to turn it around, from the perspective of the ape? Would it
sound like this?

'I Finally Had Sex With A Borderline Chick-And It Wasn't
Worth It'
Jillian   |2009-09-17 03:10:34
The last great fuck isn't anything to write home about, I know, it's very
depressing.
Vinny   |2009-09-17 03:15:55
strange, there have been times when I would masturbate thinking about exes, only
to find out that they just ended up having nightmares about having sex with me
in the first place, that always puts a stop to the wank, right there and then.
autotelic   |2009-09-17 05:46:19
I think this is a great quote from 'The Angry Heart'

"Advice for mentors: Helping someone with borderline will put your
capacity to be fully human and compassionate through a stress test
that very few experiences can match. It will pull out of you every
fault, hidden pain, weakness, and vanity that you have carefully concealed
from others and even those you have concealed from yourself. It will
assault your emotions, arouse your anger, and break your patience.
Helping people with borderline behavior is a thankless task at first,
but if you believe in what you are doing, it will slowly, very slowly,
bear fruit."
Spock  - thinking of thoughtless sex   |2009-09-17 15:40:20
Imagine it's pretty difficult to maintain a romantic relationship with a
hairless ape if one is naturally inclined to reflect upon and probe the
mediation process behind the immediacy of chemical attraction and sex.
Kong  - Resistance is Necessary   |2009-09-17 16:00:50
...cut to the sobbing hairless ape draped across his therapist's couch
pleading ' You gotta help me Doc ,these fucking biological urges are making my life
a misery'.
Angie  - Addicted to the Rush   |2009-09-17 16:15:11
The relationship illusion makes suckers of us all.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-17 18:37:20
Oh dear! Another more accurate reading would be of middle class borderline
losers still desperately searching under their beds for the lost keys to
Dreamland.

Real human love provides intimacy , companionship, stability and
hope.
Anonymous   |2009-09-17 16:29:24
If you're damaged for life, then you probably have a pretty big audience.
Guess Who   |2009-09-17 16:36:43
I want to hear someone say something positive about love.
LevitatingCreep   |2009-09-18 02:11:02
this skinbag says the illusion of romantic love infects our hearts and minds and
alienates us from our human connectedness as one.
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-18 01:36:00
Well I'll say it if no-one else will, I love being in love its such a beautiful human feeling and experience .It's Divine. I adore
belonging, being wanted for the person I truly am and being swept up
by romance and - yes, even me, frothing waves of exquisite
desire.

To be loved is a human right!

I also feel compassion, immense compassion ,  for those who have
through lack of appropriate early love and attention or the harshness of
their lives developed an immunity to love such that they cannot
tolerate human tenderness , intimacy or secure and purposed belonging for
any length of time. I can only hope that those who endure life in
this tragic way are open to the Eternal Love of Christ.
Anna  - Escape to Love   |2009-09-18 02:06:27
@levitatingcreep

One does not have to negate love to live.

Fromm embraced aspects of Bhuddism in his life and work but he was
critical of those  rituals and practices within certain
Bhuddist schools that over emphasised meditating on decay, corruption
and death. He regarded much of the death focussed 'skinbag' approach as
anti-human as he sought to promote the love of life .

For all its faults Love is probably the most  worthwhile human pursuit.
autotelic   |2009-09-18 02:26:59
gotta watch out for those levitating creeps
Dr Spock  - From Faith to Love   |2009-09-18 02:27:33
Kierkegaard sees at least some of the developmentally damaged as
exceptionally placed to attain spirit . I wonder if this could hold
for true love as well.

Quote:

"Most people never attain to faith. For a long time they live on in
immediateness and finally they attain to a certain amount
of reflection, and so they die. The exceptions begin the other way
round, from childhood up dialectical, i.e., without immediateness,
they begin with dialectics, with reflection and in that way live on
year after year and then, at a ripe age, the possibility of faith shows
itself to them. For faith is immediateness after reflection. The
exceptions, naturally, have a very unhappy childhood and youth; for to be
essentially reflective at an age which is naturally immediate, is the
depths of melancholy. But they are recompensed; for most people do not
succeed in becoming spirit, and all of their fortunate years of their
immediateness are, where spirit is concerned, a loss and therefore they
never attain to spirit. But the unhappy childhood and youth of the
exception is transfigured into spirit
autotelic   |2009-09-18 02:28:13
romantic love just leaves people full of rage
autotelic   |2009-09-18 02:33:28
Just for the record, I think the Marin County healer is the healthiest person
that visits this site. I know I used to bash her, and I apologize for
that.

She knows I got shafted.

TM on the other hand, really needs to
have his ivory tower toppled down.
Frank   |2009-09-18 02:43:19
Take it from a serial lover there's nothing wrong with romance it's the fucking
vacuous place that follows its triumph that sucks . Revel in every second of
being in love you can.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 02:46:42
Touche autotelic but I don't live in an ivory tower you wear bone framed
spectacles with shattered rose tinted lenses. Yours is the minority view here.
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-18 03:05:36
Thank you for your kind comment autotelic. (Take heed TM you horrid little man )
Yes, I realised from very early on that you really got hurt in the relationship
you were venting about on the board and I know you are still struggling to come
to terms with where it's left you. I just hope I haven't come across as too
'Goody Twoshoes Christian' as I just wanted to offer moral support any way I
could as a woman rather than offer relationship advice I'm not qualified to
give.
LevitatingCreep   |2009-09-18 03:12:27
Here's another antidote to the digital equivalent of walking round in a
daze self comfortingly singing 'Always Look on the Bright Side of
Life .

Quote:
Everyone who has awakened from the first dream of youth will realize, if
his judgement is not paralyzed, that this world is the kingdom
of chance and error, of folly and wickedness. Hence everything better
only struggles through with difficulty. What is noble and wise seldom
attains to expression. The absurd and perverse in thought, the dull
and tasteless in art, the wicked and deceitful in action, assert a real
supremacy broken only by brief interuptions. In vain the sufferer
calls on his gods for help. This irremediable evil is only the mirror of
the will, of which himself is the objectification. To me, optimism,
when it is not merely the thoughtless verbalizing of those who have nothing
but words under their low foreheads, is not merely absurd; it is
wicked. It is a bitter mockery of the unspeakable misery of mankind. To me,
as to the writers of the Gospels, the 'world' and 'evil' are almost
synonymous terms.

Arthur Schopenhauer
autotelic   |2009-09-18 03:15:08
I just followed the energy of the moment when I came to the site tonight, and
realized that I wanted to pick a fight with TM.

Borderlines are always in
need of a punching bag.

I get triggered by the most unexpected things: I see
the moniker 'Levitating Creep', and it reminded me of all the poisonous false
prophets that attack me in my dreams, but since I kind of agree with the comment
that the 'Levitating Creep' made, it just made more sense to attack TM (for
everything he's ever said)

"True to borderline form" (to quote TM)
Frank   |2009-09-18 03:17:37
It looks like the creeps have just figured out how to use the quote function.
Our lives will surely be made Hell now!
autotelic   |2009-09-18 03:21:48
Optimism is wicked.

I'm willing to lose friend after friend by upholding this
conviction.

And I'll never fuck an optimistic man ever again.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 03:30:11
Autotelic,

"True to borderline form"

Exactly!

No matter what I post I simply represent a father figure
to you and have become the object of your uncontrollable and
irrational rage which forces you to blindly seek conflict. This is why
you cant sustain relationships although I suspect that it wont deter you
from manipulating an online lesbian relationship with the increasingly
sanctimonious MarinCountyHealer

And Marin for your treachery do be
careful she doesn't stick that serrated edged forked tongue of hers up your
ass, Dear. Most unbecoming.
TTGD  - Schopenhauer Was A Misanthrope   |2009-09-18 03:33:58
Autotelic, all hate is self-hate,
ask yourself who the real 'poisonous false prophet' is.
Vinny   |2009-09-18 03:38:05
WE'RE A NATION OF VIGILANTES!
ALL OF US!

(It's still safe to talk about
politics, religion and sex here, right?)
Angie   |2009-09-18 03:41:03
Gotta admit I have an aversion to fucking optimists too as they always
think they are going to get more for less. TM strikes me as a
real jackbooted and card carrying optimist and I think his latest outburst was sparked by jealousy because you had a kind word for MarinCountyHealer.

Maybe TM is
Borderline too....
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 03:46:16
TTGD

Autotelic is a Misanthrope!
Bjorn  - Censorship/TOS Query   |2009-09-18 03:56:32
'Vigilante Nation'. Jesus ! it gives me the creeps just thinking about it but
yes Vinny, you can still openly discuss politics , religion and sex on the site
but we simply wont tolerate Hippie content. You've been warned TM.

Hope this
helps.
autotelic  - will to power   |2009-09-18 04:03:17
I come on the board angry as hell, and then, I'm just left laughing, but,
once I close my eyes to go to sleep, all the evil optimists will harass
me in my dreams, and then when I wake up, the first words out of my
mouth will be 'Fuck you'

And the ongoing 'relationship' with the others
will continue for another day.

Care to try and sustain the peaks
and valleys with me TM? I don't know if you realize this, but we are having a relationship.

Frank   |2009-09-18 04:04:34
I'm no vigilante but hands up who wants to run TM off the board.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 04:08:01
If we're in a relatonship then I'm the sleeping partner and you're the
nightmare.
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-18 04:17:54
Then you had better follow your own advice regarding autotelics " serrated
edged forked tongue " Sir.
Jillian   |2009-09-18 04:18:52
Angie said:

"Gotta admit I have an aversion to fucking optimists too as they
always
think they are going to get more for less."


Tell me about it, fucking idiots
Anonymous  - Through The Glass Darkly   |2009-09-18 04:26:57
This is a very disturbing statement by Autotelic:

"Optimism is wicked.

I'm willing to lose friend after friend by
upholding this
conviction.

And I'll never fuck an optimistic man
ever again"


Just how mean spirited are you lady?
KM   |2009-09-18 04:28:51
Interesting. Autotelic makes a play for TM on the board.

We're really talking Daddy Issues here aren't we.
Frank   |2009-09-18 05:01:52
Through The Glass Darkly isn't it even more mean spirited and disturbing that we
teach our kids to be optimistic about life from birth as the children of the
starving and oppressed get forcefed fed the terrible truth?

Have you ever
watched the film 'The Boy in Striped Pyjamas'?

As RD Laing said we trick our
children out of their minds to socialise them into a world where violence
masquerades as love.
autotelic   |2009-09-18 04:59:33
All this banter just because I finally fucked a hairless ape! I now realize that
this particular hairless ape is representative of all the other hairless apes,
if you've seen one, you've seen em' all.

nighty night

TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 05:07:26
Autotelic have you ever considered that you might be a hairless ape
too?

Night night Sweetie
autotelic   |2009-09-18 15:49:30
Here's another telling passage from "The Angry Heart'. (I think this
is something that is much more of a problem for people with BPD, than it
is for some of our AXIS 1 comrades.)

"One day in a flash of
insight you realize that time has been stolen from you. Stolen by the
hurtful, painful things that happened to you. And when you see and
feel this insight you will feel incredibly sad. You will cry in a way that
you have never cried before. You will sob from your soul. Your tears
will pierce your body and feel as if they will never end, because finally,
you will totally feel the pain that you have so carefully buried.  But
before you get there, you must intellectually see something else: 'I was
betrayed by people I trusted. I was deeply hurt...I am angry about
the guilt, shame, and hurt that was forced upon me.  In the depths of
my soul, safely hidden from me, I know that I want revenge.'"
autotelic   |2009-09-18 16:01:48
add:

It probably is easier for people with an AXIS 1 diagnosis to just accept
that they have a chemical imbalance, than it is for people with personality
disorders to try and adjust to the realization that their growth was stunted
because hell is other people.
Jillian   |2009-09-18 16:16:42
Just another case of 'all that could have been', this is probably common for
many people, even if they don't have a BPD.

Don't isolate girl! Everything
you talk about just sounds like life to me.
Sarah   |2009-09-18 16:32:43
"One day in a flash of
insight you realize that time has been stolen
from you.


How do we come to terms with this?????????????
Anonymous   |2009-09-18 16:42:14
Some of you need to find a 'Stop Being A Victim' workshop.
Nero  - The Just Prescription   |2009-09-18 16:56:26
There is nowhere in society for BPD's to take their often legitimate feelings
of injustice even though Post-Traumatic Embitterment Disorder is included as a
"diagnosable and treatable mental health disorder" in the DSM.
Zeb  - Two Way Traffic   |2009-09-18 17:14:16
The Borderline situation is a little one sided.Yes, it would be great if we could improve support systems to help BPDs
better adapt to society but simply encouraging and
supporting conformity isn't enough, society also has to adapt and
better accomodate the developmentally damaged individual rather than just
assume that it has a monopoly on acceptable modes of human behaviour.
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-18 17:21:14
"One day in a flash of insight you realize that time has been stolen
from you."

How do we come to terms with this?????????????


Consciously, constructively, creatively and ideally co-operatively with
the support and love of others who are able to see your
predicament compassionately.
Frank   |2009-09-18 17:28:24
Human beings are driving each other insane!!! Why are we taking so many fucking
drugs to block out this social fact????
autotelic   |2009-09-18 17:29:28
Zeb said:

"society also has to adapt and
better accomodate the developmentally
damaged individual rather than just
assume that it has a monopoly
on acceptable modes of human behaviour."


I agree, and yes TM, this should be taught to pre-schoolers! In 'The
Angry Heart' there's a time line questionaire asking when
your psychotraumatic experiences began.......the time line starts with
birth.
ThriftstoreWorker   |2009-09-18 17:33:07
All this helplessness just gets me feeling sexually aroused.
Nero   |2009-09-18 17:47:17
A lot of parents of BPD's get freaked and guilted out around discussion of
the PD spectrum and their concerns usually carry more weight with MH
policy decision makers than the experience and perspectives of people
with personality disorders themeselves. There is real resistance to addressing social causes, it almost amounts to a conspiracy against damaged people to depict the
world as a more psychologically healthier place than it actually is.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 17:49:39
We should not reward maladaptive traits. Period.
MarinCountyHealer  - A question   |2009-09-19 05:21:36
autotelic,

Can the pre-natal Angry Heart learn to express love and feel loved
consistently? What does Santoro have to say about this? I was moved by
Kierkergaard's belief that people from damaged backgrounds could transfer the
deep questioning mental outlook shaped by their pain and anger into faith but
agree with an earlier comment that we need to do more as a society to accomodate
damaged people rather than just expect them to adapt away from their
developmental issues - some of which may well be neurologically reinforced over
time - to our way of being .

Last night before going to sleep I prayed and
meditated a while for understanding over the Angry Heart as for some time now I
have been preoccupied with the meaning of the Sacred Heart and believe that we
are intended to view it not simply as the symbolism of Divine suffering and
compassion but as Jesus the human being and Son of God exposing a bloody gaping
mortal human wound confirming human weakness, vunerability and frailty that
needs to be openly acknowledged and embraced. I believe Jesus invites us to
acknowledge and bear witness to human suffering and that the Sacred Heart is
the Angry Heart and the Angry Heart is the Sacred Heart yet we live in a pushy
selfish and alienated world that increasingly shuns both , a world that has
dethroned God, made a fashionable fetish of false suffering and relegated those
who have really suffered and been maimed in life to a status of being almost
subhuman.

I see that here. Even Jesus was not forsaken by his father and
left to fend without family. He received appropriate love and attention in his
youth. That mere thought of that scale of abandonment even appalled Him. I truly
cannot imagine navigating my way through life without family or connectedness.
It desolates me to think so many people have to get by like this practically
from the womb onwards.

There really needs to be an ingathering of all the
developmentally damaged people as we've financially supported and rehabilitated
some of the wealthiest and most corrupt people and organisations in the world
over the last year with barely a moral twitch and yet the developmentally
damaged are internally exiled , shunned and discriminated against because, and I
am now convinced of this , their suffering offends because it makes them more
human , so very much more human, than we in our alienated market driven and
conformist state could ever comfortably be or live with.

We have practically
reduced the cruxifiction to a financial transaction. If Jesus had not died for
our sins we would have paid someone else to in order to offload the debt and
run up massive spiritual credit we had no way or intention of ever repaying. .
We've hedged our spiritual investments so calculatedly , we've cashed out our
covenants and eternal life insurance policies for high interest rates from
material get rich quick schemes in the here and now. We've ignored Jesus as a
role model of the sacrifice we must make to contend with the suffering in life,
and chosen where we choose the Christ at all to believe in our own automatic
spiritual redemption through autistic Christian worship , a self interested
Ponzi scheme drawing on others assets and efforts , rather than been moved
enough by the passion of Sacred Heart , the Angry Heart, to act to help pave the
way to emotional stability [never mind Salvation] for anyone else.




TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-18 22:09:36
It looks like people slept through the wake up call as autotelic has
everyone weeping in the aisles again. Note the subtle destructive way she chips away our norms ,values and beliefs to get us to accommodate her disordered personality. Society should defend
itself and declare war on these angry and demanding BPD's .Isn't one
Hitler enough?
HarryH   |2009-09-19 04:45:23
You're all heart TM! Perhaps we could arrange for Pablo to give you a guided
tour of the Magic Theatre to take stock of things.
autotelic   |2009-09-19 04:52:48
Quote:
"Note the subtle destructive way she chips away our norms ,values and
beliefs to get us to accommodate her disordered personality."


It's not destructive, it's as natural as breathing. People are hurting,
we need to talk about it. TM, you're part of the conspiracy that "depicts the world as a more psychologically healthier place than it
actually is".


It's downright criminal to ignore it, so who's talking Hitler?
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 04:58:57
I can sleep with my conscience Harry , I doubt your psychopathic tendencies
enable you to have one. As for the MarinCountyHealer, I will bow to tradition as
her woolie left wing Middle Classness qualifies her to be dismissed as a woman
in the throes of a 'Spiritual Crisis ' rather than just downright Mentally
Unstable.
Anonymous   |2009-09-19 05:03:04
"One day in a flash of
insight you realize that time has been
stolen
from you.


This is very serious.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 05:11:05
Aha! the long suffering autotelic has returned with another halfwitted
broadside. Well, it's a good mental exercise to focus on the heroic , it's
character building, you know as part of the delicate but absolutely necessary
process of socially honing and refining one's basic personality.

Oops! I
forgot, you lot missed out on socially viable personalities didn't you. My
mistake.
D   |2009-09-19 05:18:35
"One day in a flash of
insight you realize that time has
been
stolen
from you.

This is very serious.


Yes, I know, that realization has been with me for some time. I've
arranged to go into town to pick up Angry Heart from a bookshop in
the morning, Borders. I was going to ask if you could loan me your
copy but time is of the essence. I think some form of Primal Therapy could
be on the cards too.
autotelic   |2009-09-19 05:30:39
TM, we're having a relationship, but tonight I don't feel like fighting in an
aggressive way...but by all means, if you need to express your agro side, go for
it, I'll just respond with some half-witted responses.

And your point is?
WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SAY?
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 05:50:53
autotelic

To be honest I suspect you would despise me even more than you do now if I showed any
real affection towards you 
and I very much doubt that you or your friends on this site are capable of
negotiating the sort of loving relationship I would expect from
a potential partner. But yes, I do feel conflicted about you deep down
but haven't yet managed to figure out why.
Jillian   |2009-09-19 05:53:14
Most everything that children learn from their parents is wrong. Time was only
stolen from us because of faulty conditioning.
Angie   |2009-09-19 05:55:32
Hey Bjorn delete that last comment of mine , I'm more settled now, it's not
necessary for anyone to know my business, I just needed to share that to let it
go.I'm gonna flop now. And way to go with TM autotelic, bring out the decent
human in him.
D   |2009-09-19 13:36:05
A lot of parents raise their kids in a driven way and manage to pass on
vital information about how the world works. The school system has
a responsibility too. My parents flunked on the child rearing but I
still cant believe so much that was essential to the successful purposeful life was concealed
or just assumed to be understood by the school.
I went out into the world totally oblivious to these essentials and the
lack of them puts you on a widely diverging track away from teveryone
else that ends up on the margins of society. It's ironic. We'd
probably be the best educators to Borderline kids just starting out on the
same doomed tangent. I often wonder if this is some brutal cosmic
test.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 14:05:01
I often wonder if this is some brutal cosmic
test.


How very perceptive of you. Who knows, one day you may even grasp the
extent to which you miserably failed the test of life.
autotelic   |2009-09-19 14:16:40
TM,

You come here daily for discourse, we're having a relationship, it has
nothing to do with affection.
This would never fly in the 3D.
autotelic   |2009-09-19 14:24:27
We have a real good case full of evidence about just how psychologically
unhealthy this world really is, looks like I passed the test of life with flying
colors.

Anyway, my computer has been infected with a virus, my internet
connection is sketchy, those rogue incinerators don't want my comments to post.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 14:24:48
Just as well really as I'm all out of glass slippers .
autotelic   |2009-09-19 14:30:00
TM said,

"I suspect you would despise me even more than you do now if I showed
any
real affection towards you"


This whole blog is about the base motivations of the hairless ape, so I
won't argue with your observation.
ThePleasantVlleKid   |2009-09-19 14:30:32
Off out to town to pick up Angry Heart , I'll look through the tech section to
see if there's a Zero to Hero manual for staving off the rogue incinerators.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-19 14:32:52
The most hairless ape is the female of the species my dear.
ThePleasantVlleKid   |2009-09-19 14:36:50
Wow!, you must have really been bullied at school TM. Keep those defences up!
autotelic   |2009-09-19 15:07:51
Exactly TM, love and sex aren't personal. I am also a hairless ape, if you've
seen one you've seen em' all, and maybe that's why so many men start talking
marriage as soon as they get involved in a sexual relationship, it's not
personal, my last relationship wasn't anything personal.

Even marriages that
fall under the guise of 'high integrity', are nothing more than random hook-ups,
hence the embarrassingly high divorce rates.
LevitatingCreep   |2009-09-19 22:38:12
Being human isn't personal, everything else follows from that.
Dr Spock  - Marriage 2100   |2009-09-20 01:54:20

" random hook-ups and embarrassingly high divorce rates."


Futurist Sandy Burchsted, claims that in 2100 marriage is going to be a "conscious, evolutionary process " with most people getting married at least 4 times in their lives and there
being no stigma attached to getting divorced or having extra
marital affairs.

Burchsted sees people entering into different
types of marriage at different stages of their lives , starting with. a
short ,say, 5 year 'Icebreaker Marriage' to learn to live with
a partner and become sexually experienced , then marrying a mate to
breed and play happy famlies for 15-20 years , then a mid-life
'Self Actualization' marriage and lastly a 'Twilight Years ' marriage
to a spiritual soulmate.

Burchsted projects an average
life expectancy in 2100 of 120 years.
Frank  - 2100 is Going to be Borderline Free   |2009-09-20 01:36:59
That's no more a "conscious, evolutionary process " than lab rats
hitting a switch for another electrodal zap in the septal pleasure zone. What a
fucking nightmare! Burchsted has to be an old Hippie.
KM   |2009-09-20 02:05:50
It's great to watch Autotelic and TM go through their hormonal posturing and
simian grooming rituals but I'd personally like to see a little more genetic
diversity on the board.
autotelic   |2009-09-20 02:22:49
My computer isn't working, and it might take a few days for a tech guy to look
at it.

Genetic diversity? What difference does it make? So many people that
go through with a marriage of self-actualization can't even keep their partners
names straight. (and that's supposed to be the most noble marriage right?)

I
don't think it matters Kelley, the consensus is out: any old hairless ape will
do, life isn't personal, (and you're not going to be famous forever)

Are you
really just asking the question, "where are all the feminine women"?
Bjorn  - Stolen Years   |2009-09-20 02:40:28
I ended up taking an unplanned walk through a neighbourhood asociated with a
really dark and painful period in my life today, and a lot of the worst memories
of that time came cascading back and I got to thinking , what do we do? try to
more neatly assimilate those bad times and lost years?, suppress them because
they still make us feel low?or trawl through it for anything we can meaningfully
salvage to at least make some of it 'count'? I'm acutely aware that it's time
wasted and gone , it's 'the past' but what to do with in in the present and
future if it still has the power to trigger emotional trauma?
KM   |2009-09-20 03:40:24
Illusory or not, my fame and good fortune feel pretty personal and real to me .
But yeah, I'm all for balancing the feminine to ballbuster ratio on the site, do
you have any girlfriends who don't bite?
Jillian   |2009-09-20 04:03:09
yeah but.......you're not really considered an important artist, isn't your kind
of fame a little embarrassing?

Do you have your eyes on Site Santa Fe?
Jillian   |2009-09-20 04:08:50
KM,
Let me reword this: you got lucky, I hope you don't think that you became
famous bcause you're great or anything like that.

Why do you come here?
Because you knew us before you became famous?
J   |2009-09-20 04:10:28
love, sex, AND fame aren't meant to be taken personally
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-20 04:42:22
The world doesn't look that impersonal and bleak through my window .

I don't say this to put anyone down , some of us do get to live out 'beautiful lies' so of course we must believe in them to maintain our pleasant view and
the more we benefit from the beautiful lies we tell ourselves about
our lives and how the world is the less incentive there is to take a
really good look around at how others are doing. The way we sense things
as 'personal' and even ' ours' could be self deception too but who
would question this unless they had to? Belief is an incredibly powerful thing.
Vinny   |2009-09-20 04:52:01
There is a certain amount of genetic diversity on this site. But I no longer
think that unbelievers are any worse off than everyone else.
KM   |2009-09-20 05:00:58
Jillian why am I being forced to run the gauntlet here over other people's
appreciation of my artwork? and what is it with this need you
guys have to impose the impersonal and randomness on everything? Look,
I got ahead through my talent and force of personality, that
winning combination. Sure luck and timing played a part in it, don't
they always, but only a small part. That makes me special in some ways.
Deal with it.
NamVet   |2009-09-20 05:11:05
On Genetic Diversity, I'd like to see the DNA profiles of this site's user base
as I'm sure a few of you aren't human!
Frank   |2009-09-20 05:17:07
The beautiful lies are backed by force.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-20 05:25:31
Trust me, we're all human here, friend, but I'd like to see the DNA profiling
you suggest done anyway as we should be keeping tabs on Borderlines.
Anonymous   |2009-09-20 05:33:13
Vinny,

Well unlike the 'believers' the 'unbelievers' are probably beyond
disappointment but I wouldn't necessarily agree that this levels the playing
field .
KM   |2009-09-20 05:40:49
I'd do SITE SF if I was invited to. I want more.
mIrKo   |2009-09-20 05:53:39
sItE SaNta fE iSt boUrgEoIsE ScHeiße!
Anonymous  - Through The Glass Darkly   |2009-09-20 14:27:17
so you're beyond disappointment, what else you got going for you?
Frank   |2009-09-20 14:53:22
a lower carbon footprint?
Scott   |2009-09-20 16:17:47
so you're beyond disappointment, what else you got going for you?

Well now , lets see - a more active vagus nerve coupled with lower
expectations of death and eternal recurrence? We probably spend less
time packing as well as we tend to invest more in hauling around our
psycho-emotional baggage.
Angie   |2009-09-20 16:16:56
...we get to eat out more?????
Nero   |2009-09-20 16:16:06
We got gallows humour and the same old adaptive expectations of the afterlife
.What do you got Champ?
ThriftstoreWorker   |2009-09-20 16:03:09
Are there any brothels in Heaven?
IronLady  - future facing diminishing returns   |2009-09-20 16:54:04
All things considered it's probably wiser to approach the future with an equal
amount of hope , fear and resignation as I suspect there's an exacting price to
be paid for eternal optimism that's buried away in the small print somewhere.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-20 18:12:45
"there's an exacting price to be paid for eternal optimism "

Maybe but I bet eternal optimism has a lot more traction than eternal
recurrence amongst the discerning ranks of the bottom billion.
Erasmus   |2009-09-20 18:19:30
Methinks you misunderstand the implications of Eternal Return.

Quote:
"The greatest weight.-- What, if some day or night a demon were to
steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you:
"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to
live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in
it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and
everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to
you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and
this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The
eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and
again, and you with it, speck of dust!"

Would you not throw
yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus?... Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to
crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal
confirmation and seal?
"
Frank   |2009-09-20 20:05:23
Seems to me you're overlooking the possibility of mass inequality, poverty,
powerlessness and brutal repression endlessly repeating under the fucking heels
of the perpetually powerful.
autotelic   |2009-09-21 03:10:27
I've come to the realization that this website is pretty tame.....compared to
some of the twisted video games that are out there. I think it would be neat to
create a class struggle video game, where the proletarian gets the chance to
upset the bourgeois establishment, frame by frame, picture by picture, blow by
blow, but we can only express it in words.

We would probably have a more
accepting audience if our material was animated. Maybe words are more harsh and
threatening than images?

HAVE YOU SEEN HOW HATEFUL (AND YET SOCIALLY
ACCEPTABLE) SOME VIDEO GAMES ARE?
bjorn   |2009-09-21 03:14:48
I was thinking something similar , maybe we should create an animated Outsider
Art site and just post random infantile imagery and totally meaningless texts on
it and see if we cant push it as visionary.
autotelic   |2009-09-21 03:15:24
I remember that Erasmus quote. I wasn't even a teenager when I first read it.
I hadn't even gotten my first menstrual cycle yet, but boy, I did get that
quote!
autotelic   |2009-09-21 03:20:10
Bjorn is just kidding, please know that.
I think what he's trying to say is
that if we tried the above-mentioned approach, people wouldn't feel so
uncomfortable viewing our material.

Let's not be so straightforward everyone!
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-21 03:21:00
Isn't that the purpose of this site?
autotelic  - verbal assault   |2009-09-21 03:30:41
Hey TM, I've made up my mind, this website is safe, we have no images of Hermes
sneaking into your bed at night, to violate you from behind, for the unkind
words that you have shown me.

No one even gets the chance for revenge here!
Dr Spock   |2009-09-21 03:32:41
The Eternal Comfortable Recurrence?
Jillian   |2009-09-21 03:39:05
Quote:
"there's an exacting price to
be paid for eternal optimism that's
buried away in the small print somewhere."


TM, do you or don't you agree with this statement? Yes, or no? Maybe
isn't an answer.
Admin of Admins   |2009-09-21 03:39:12
Hey autotelic you're going too far now! Revenge has always been permitted on this site, positively encouraged even and I'd gladly
give you TM's IP details so you could track the smug
little motherfucker down and tie him down and buttfuck him senseless
yourself but that would be in breach of our Terms of Service. Other than
that anything goes.
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-21 03:51:13
I am an optimist by nature and also materially well disposed to be and even if
my optimism ultimately fails me I will still have lived my life far more
contentedly than you will have yours with your bleating eternal pessimism.
Angie   |2009-09-21 03:59:44
The thought of castrating TM for an eternity is really starting to appeal to
me.
autotelic   |2009-09-21 04:00:16
At least I won't look back on my life and say, "I wasted so much time on
small talk."
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-21 04:18:35
So what if a demon were to visit you lot in your angry loneliness and say to
you:
"This life as you now live it and have lived it, is finite and the
only life you'll ever have and each second of it is precious and could be your
last ; and there is no way of reclaiming mispent time and righting the unjust
wrongs you have suffered there is just time ticking out for all of you. How
would you be disposed to live your lives then?
Anna   |2009-09-21 04:26:34
We need more Demons in education as kids should be provided with a fair and
balanced view of what life strategies are available.
autotelic   |2009-09-21 04:30:54
I can't take this conversation seriously tonight.
The opening line alone was
enough to make not want to read the rest of your post.

PS: I'm not too
worried about a demon visiting me in my angry loneliness.
ThePleasantVlleKid   |2009-09-21 04:33:00
I just ended up dating demons
Autotelic  - ode to folly   |2009-09-21 04:37:40
........I might have been scared of that quote when I was 11, but as an adult,
listening to you paraphrase it makes me wish that we had the tools to create
video games where we could act this stuff out.
D   |2009-09-21 05:00:17
TM we're all negotiating with our demons and life isn't anywhere near as black
and white as you make it out to be and it's often the people who've suffered and
don't fit in who make life more bearable and interesting.
TTGD  - a message for everyone   |2009-09-21 04:46:23
Each time you post something on this site you are generating negative energy,
all of you.
Bjorn   |2009-09-21 05:16:45
We kinda already do have those tools ..

I wonder to what extent video games
are being used therapeutically right now.
D   |2009-09-21 05:16:23
TTGD,

Negative energy? Fuck off! You're going to be one of the first arch
villains in the Lifeisbrutallyunfair 'Battle for the Psyche ' video game.
TTGD   |2009-09-21 05:49:10
Notice how touchy you get when accused of negativity, everyone is in denial
about all sorts of things, are you in denial about your own
negativity?

Negativity is highly contagious, watch that you don't fall into
the trap of always accentuating the lowest common denominator yourself.
Frank   |2009-09-21 10:20:14
Optimism is often the lowest common denominator and I have never yet met anyone
who was bullied or ostracised for being 'too positive' although I have seen such
people cause others great difficulty with their projections.
D   |2009-09-21 15:33:45
Not really touchy more unwilling to be preached at from the same old
sanctimonious perspective. Do I deny my own 'negativity'...? No but I definitely
see it in a very different light to you. I'm not sure if Borderline traits are
adaptive - not that there's any reason to see every human attribute or behaviour
in that way - but I do think borderlines bring a lot to the table, the only
problem is the table is organised in such a time focussed and over anxious
controlling way that we're effectively denied a place to sit at it. Who knows, a
little more considered negativity in the world could help us spot problems
before we're collectively embroiled in them by rash optimistic heroic types. It
really is a human diversity issue.
androgyne   |2009-09-22 03:04:33
The title of this blogpost is so sexy it gives me a hard-on just thinking about
it so come on Autotelic , quit bitching about all this philosophical bulshit
and share a few steamy details about you and the hairless ape.
autotelic   |2009-09-22 03:30:54
I was his first affair and he was my last
TMfocus  - meditate for change   |2009-09-22 03:35:46
For some reason I imagined it was the other way round.
MarinCountyHealer   |2009-09-22 03:41:08
You probably made a lasting impression if you were his first affair. It's a
shame you are so determined to make it your last. Why am I suddenly thinking of
The Graduate?
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