lifeisbrutallyunfair.com - it's when the demons dont whisper in my ear at night that i start worrying

it's when the demons dont whisper in my ear at night that i start worrying

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Tuesday, 22 September 2009

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Anonymous

|2009-09-22 03:06:02

Lately mine have been reminding me to do something about my character armour.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-22 03:15:11

Sure they didn't say character development?

autotelic

|2009-09-22 03:44:59

I really like what you did with this pic....it's more Juxtapoz than Raw
Vision.

Juxtapoz is cool, legitimately cool, more cutting edge, has more street cred.

The whole 'visionary art
thing' in Raw Vision feels dated to me now. It's the same group of
people curating the same shows year after year.

autotelic

|2009-09-22 03:47:56

At least we know we're cool.

ThePleasantVlleKid

|2009-09-22 04:07:00

Cool? I'm not entirely sold as the Class War theme makes me a little nervous, I
keep getting flashbacks to my previous life before the crash and the regular
drubbing I got from you lot. You look hot though autotelic. It's just a shame
the blogpost title sucks.

Jillian

|2009-09-22 04:18:22

if 'cool' doesn't sit well with you, just replace the word with 'stylish'

Bruno

|2009-09-22 04:24:32

'It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing'

So many people that I
encounter, who claim to have their shit together don't have very much flair, or
swivel in their hips.

(I won't mention any names)

TTGD	\|2009-09-22 04:34:17

So are you going to try and say that the reason why there's never a place for
you at the table with others is because you're just too cool for everybody?

TMfocus

|2009-09-22 04:34:44

Don't worry PleasantVlleKid, having real Class is way ahead of being temporary
Cool.

ThriftstoreWorker

|2009-09-22 04:40:15

Mention names Bruno, mention names.

autotelic

|2009-09-22 04:43:55

Cool has always been a constant with me........so I guess this is the part of
the video game where TM, and all the other usual suspects hang me in the town
square for being a prideful negative creep, and then, lo and behold, I am
resurrected from the dead, with the burning realization that I'm just too cool
for this world.

Vinny

|2009-09-22 04:47:58

(TM still doesn't realize that he'll never win 'The Battle of The psyche' until
he stops taking himself so fucking seriously)

Frank

|2009-09-22 04:49:46

What's with the cool? Are we going all 80's retro or are we just stroking
Bjorn's ego for making a veiled reference to Wilhelm Reich probably because he
was thinking of having an orgasm.

Jillian

|2009-09-22 04:49:56

So are you going to try and say that the reason why there's never a place
for
you at the table with others is because you're just too cool
for everybody?

Yep.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-22 04:53:27

No need to resurrect you from the dead autotelic, you are already a Zombie.

SOMA - confession time

|2009-09-22 04:57:42

The secret's out, for the longest time we just kept our mouths shut, about how
much more cool we are than everyone else.

Look, we know artists that
advertise for groupies and fans to help promote them with their mystique, in
order to sell more paintings.

We're not doing any kind of shameless
promotion, this is a pretty closed universe, we're just saying that our cool
factor is lightyears ahead of everyone else.

D	\|2009-09-22 05:00:47

So we're like a Black Hole of Coolness , so densely Cool no word of it ever
gets out. Cool!

Anna	\|2009-09-22 05:03:37

We need a Cool poll to help us evaluate just how Cool we really are.

Angie

|2009-09-22 05:15:48

Some of us on the site are also pretty fucking hot. Well, some of us women are.
You guys are still fairly cool though.

Vinny

|2009-09-22 05:17:47

Too cool for facebook, fame, or the need for friends

jk - to all new arrivals

|2009-09-22 14:43:50

It's easy to stand around in a hospital facemask and black asylum sneakers but
so what if it was a caesarean section performed under borderline anesthetic? it
doesn't detract from the miraculous delivery or the odds of longterm survival,
we fucking pushed for the aesthetic , pushed!, pushed!, pushed! and fully
intend to follow through with our psychic pelvic floor exercises so once again -
would you please stop smoking around the incubator and give it up for the
re-birth of cool.

Bjorn

|2009-09-22 14:37:24

We've barely had the Cool rep 24 hours and we already have several hangers
on hustling for a spot on Celebrity Rehab! S-l-o-w d-o-w-n people! , we're so Right Now we haven't actually achieved anything
yet.

And yes, I was wondering about an orgasm

TTGD	\|2009-09-22 14:58:30

Autotelic said:

Quote:

Cool has always been a constant with me

I don't agree with a lot of what she says, but I do agree with this
audacious declaration that she has so boldly made.

Julian VZ

|2009-09-22 15:04:39

the people who orchestrate this website never had any fertile ground to develop
egos in the first place, and that's why they are just so irrestibly, undeniably
cool.

Jillian

|2009-09-22 15:09:51

Bjorn said:

Quote:

I was wondering about an orgasm

It must be pretty easy for you to produce orgasms since you don't have
an ego to get in the way?

A	\|2009-09-22 15:30:02

People with BPD do suffer from delusions of grandeur, when they're not wallowing
in self-pity.

Is this the other side of the pendulum?
You're taking things
way too far.

Bjorn

|2009-09-22 15:31:14

That's not quite true Jillian the site's new Cool status has somehow dredged up
the remnant of my ego and I'm starting to experience confusing internal
stirrings that are fucking with my libido. I wonder if Becker was planning to
look at the death denying potential of Cool.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-22 15:43:38

Is this the other side of the pendulum?

'A' read my mind as I wondered if we were seeing the miraculous
transformation of Autotelic into an Eternal Optimist as she also
mentioned being resurrected yesterday.

Bjorn on the other hand
is a lost cause .

UofOhio

|2009-09-22 16:10:52

@A,

Lol! Well spotted. I'm a frequent but usually non participating
visitor and I've also noticed how the majority of self diagnosed (?) BPD's on
this board seem to wildly swing between delusions of grandeur and the
mediocrity principle. I must say though I find the BPD's here at their most
entertaining when they convince themselves that life has gone out of it's way to
cruelly humilate them again. That's priceless!

autotelic

|2009-09-22 16:21:22

at least we don't have to sit around with PR people and marketing teams day
after day trying to figure out what it means to be cool.

That's gotta be the
ultimate sucky, insecure way to live!!!!!!!!!!

....No need to feel sorry for
us!

autotelic

|2009-09-22 16:24:53

Bjorn said:

Quote:

I wonder if Becker was planning to
look at the death denying potential of
Cool.

I'm sure of it.

Jillian

|2009-09-22 16:27:33

can someone please tell me what the mediocrity principle is?

Anonymous

|2009-09-22 16:31:54

Quote:

we fucking pushed for the aesthetic , pushed!, pushed!, pushed!

It's time for me to puke.

Frank

|2009-09-22 16:51:41

Jillian, think it just means we're not the centre of the universe , that life's
impersonal and we're no more unique and special than anything else out there.

D	\|2009-09-22 16:57:20

Think that was KM posting under a different tag to cash in on the upswing. I bet
he has a line in logo'd sick bags.

Saint of Cool

|2009-09-22 17:05:57

re: KM,

cash in on the upswing is what he does, he needs to produce fast
in order to sell his wares at the Weekly street market, he's probably in his studio right now drawing a stick figure of 'the woman
that thought she was cool'

KM	\|2009-09-22 17:13:26

That's just so offensive, how dare you misrepresent the way I plagiarize others?
What do you know?

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-22 19:24:21

Watch out everybody Eternal Optimism obviously didn't suit autotelic and she's
come down from the mountain to share her dismal thoughts with us mere mortals
again.

Dr Spock

|2009-09-23 00:35:16

You must really have a thing for autotelic TM to be on her case as constantly
and maliciously as you are.

Remind me what it is you stand for again?

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-23 00:33:44

Self-Actualization , Nation and Community.

Frank

|2009-09-23 02:44:32

TM take it from me you are probably one of the least coolest people most folk
are never going to know and that's your 15 minutes of prime time taken care of
right there buddy.

skipper - Politics Now

|2009-09-23 03:08:07

Hey what's happening with the evil New World Order these days? Last I heard it was conspiring to abduct and clone paranoid
militia freaks in Montana.

autotelic

|2009-09-23 03:18:53

kelley will probably show up at the saturday market with fresh new images
of 'the mediocrity principle'-'she ain't cool'- 'the ambivalent stroke'-and
'the borderline christ complex'

NamVet

|2009-09-23 03:24:23

The recession was manufactured by the Chinese. A lot of those guys on Wall
Street are Asian and he doesn't look it but Ben Bernanke is a second generation
Chinese-American Jew. Now Obama is talking about establishing a New Foundation
and trying to do a deal with the Chinese at the global financial summit in
Pittsburgh to destroy our tire and poultry industries . That's where politics is
today you fucking gay losers!

JulianVanZ

|2009-09-23 03:28:59

What are you talking about, Kelley has a fucking borderline Christ complex!

KM	\|2009-09-23 03:32:19

Enough! I'm talking to my lawyer as I've never ever denied being a serial
plagiarist.

Angie

|2009-09-23 03:42:42

Screw the stick people! I'd love to see some exposure for that really
confrontational Brazilian street graffitti art on the site . I'd also like to
see a pic of 'the mediocrity principle' but not by KM, obviously.

autotelic

|2009-09-23 03:45:43

I knew you were trolling this board, always waiting for your name to
appear, stop being so paranoid about your reputation, no one from
the press or gallery circuit comes to this site, we're not famous, we can say whatever we want.

You are a spam bot Kelley, you get your ideas from others.

(And I
have always been, and always will be the world's best
kept secret.)

Don't worry Kelley, no word of our superior coolness
ever gets out.

autotelic

|2009-09-23 03:53:05

TM,

hanging at the sangha and standing for the nation

Are you the same
guy that used to post as NAMVET?

J	\|2009-09-23 03:57:52

Kelley, duh!!!!!!!!!!!
you've never denied being a serial plagiarist, so
there's no reason why we should stop talking about the hick from arkansas that
became famous for using other people's ideas.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-23 04:00:59

No, I share NamVet's dislike of Asians but I am a firm believer in Free Trade
and the positive transformative power of Globalism.

admin

|2009-09-23 04:02:08

it's so tacky how nominally famous people think they have the right to request
an end to all the chatter.

you have no power or rights in our closed universe
of cool.

Anonymous - possible penetration

|2009-09-23 04:08:23

(And I have always been, and always will be the world's best kept
secret.)

I meant to tell you earlier we've logged some probing activity from the
rogue incinerators again.

Bjorn

|2009-09-23 04:18:24

Relax on the stick people guy's legal threat , this site isn't just a closed
universe , the text is a virtual hermeneutic circle and that guy's pretty
fucking illiterate anyway isn't he?

Anonymous

|2009-09-23 04:18:52

What about lawyers? They can't get us on anything can they?

autotelic

|2009-09-23 04:22:37

My computer almost blew up today. It felt like an aerial bombing of sorts.

Bjorn

|2009-09-23 04:26:49

The lawyers would probably have a good case against us over jk's 'to all new arrivals ' post for breaching standards and inciting people to puke. But I think that
was KM!

D	\|2009-09-23 04:28:56

"My computer almost blew up today. It felt like an aerial bombing of
sorts."

Damn. The rogue incinerators are getting close!

ThriftstoreWorker

|2009-09-23 05:05:39

You're bulshitting NamVet, Ben Bernanke is no way Chinese.

TheHoodedHedonist

|2009-09-23 05:14:52

Hate to piss on such a cool parade but this thread is lacking the last
blogpost's charged sexual energy. You're competing with netwide porn , make the
occasional concession people or I'm heading back over to the religio-fetish
sites.

NamVet

|2009-09-23 12:30:28

Sorry , what was I thinking? I meant Hank Paulson. he's definitely second
generation Chinese-American even though he claims to be a Christian Scientist
and did you know that most of the bank bail out money went directly to the
Chinese! Explain how that was allowed to happen.

DC	\|2009-09-23 14:38:03

With God dead and the market all what other counsel is there but our demons?

Bjorn

|2009-09-23 15:03:48

Yeah, Nietzsche the pastors son must have really had a good laugh at the
delicious irony of burying God and giving the last word to a demon. But it
probably is high time we rehabilitated and learned to take more notice of our
demons as on a philosophical level Ghostbusters didn't do us any favours at all.

KM	\|2009-09-23 15:35:38

I'm currently incorporating demons into my paintings - like right now!

autotelic

|2009-09-23 15:42:11

Any idea why the windsor-essex catholic district school board would be
downloading my music?

dO you think someone googled 'American Saints'?

Bjorn

|2009-09-23 18:56:37

Nah, they're Jesuits, they probably Googled 'Autistic Autocrat'

Frank

|2009-09-23 16:04:38

The Coolest American Saint

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-23 19:01:41

Perhaps they're putting on the Divine Comedy as a school musical and see your
disturbed hellish screechings as the perfect backing track.

PrayerMatt

|2009-09-23 19:29:46

Have you ever considered that a lot of mental health issues and many of the
problems that ail society might have come about through people
serving the cause of evil and being possessed by malevolent spirits?

Lorraine - incubus

|2009-09-24 03:32:06

This pic reminded me of the last time someone whispered something into my
ear while I was half asleep . It was 4 years ago and the 17 year
old son of a senior work colleague I'd got off with at the firm's
Christmas Party. Through a thumping hangover I heard him whisper ,' I've
taken 10 dollars from your bag to get back to mom's, Happy Christmas
and don't worry , I won't tell anyone about us'.

After he let himself
out I came round a bit more and realized the little cunt had wanked
off all over my back as I slept. He took my panties as a trophy too .

Never, ever , ever mix drink, sex and work .

Lillith

|2009-09-23 22:49:28

lol but it's these cute little animal touches that remind us that we're human
and keep the evolutionary biologists awake at night.

Anonymous

|2009-09-24 02:23:51

Stop telling me the fucking future!!!

Autotelic

|2009-09-24 03:54:11

Quote:

Have you ever considered that a lot of mental health issues and many of
the
problems that ail society might have come about through
people
serving the cause of evil and being possessed by malevolent
spirits?

Does he want an answer? I don't have a response.
Was he suggesting
that we're evil and possessed by malevolent spirits, or was this
just a generalized ice breaker?

D	\|2009-09-24 04:08:05

Was he suggesting that we're evil and possessed by malevolent spirits

Maybe but then again billions of people on the planet believe evil
demons and witches or angry gods are responsible for all the bad shit
that happens, it's hardly a minority view.

D	\|2009-09-24 04:10:21

..but no I've never seriously considered it myself and I'm not aiming to.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-24 04:16:02

Perhaps you should.

Bjorn

|2009-09-24 04:36:02

It wouldnt be the first time we've been demonised!

D - Rapamycin

|2009-09-24 14:09:59

We're told the global population is likely to hit 9 billion by 2050 and warned
about all the problems that's likely to cause and then told of efforts to
develop treatments and procedures to significantly extend human life for those
who can afford to pay. It's like receiving news updates from two different
worlds. We're trying to outlive our own species! Maybe it's going to become
necessary to abolish religion and have kids start each new schoolday group
star-jumping to a mediocrity principle mantra.

autotelic

|2009-09-24 15:31:04

i wonder what kind of PTSD issues the youth of today will face when they get to
be my age

autotelic

|2009-09-24 16:41:43

I also wonder how many people end up committing suicide because the rest of
the world won't stop making babies.

Frank

|2009-09-24 17:49:13

"i wonder what kind of PTSD issues the youth of today will face when
they get to
be my age"

God that's a harrowing question to dwell on as the lives of those who
immediately follow us will be so much more traumatic because of
the catastrophic problems we've heaped up for them. That's without
even factoring in emotional poverty and the 'developmental' return on so
many people in the world now never having really experienced stable
family. That's an intergenerational timebomb that could really blow up
PTSD.

I think technology will bring about some other real human
nightmares too, perhaps before we take our leave and who knows what will
happen to human beings in an overcrowded world of blasted scarcity.

Jillian

|2009-09-24 18:10:23

So many people from our generation tried to learn from their parents mistakes,
but what good is evolved parenting in an overcrowded world of blasted
scarcity?

People will continue to put the planet at risk, in order to work
out their unresolved issues through breeding.

It's disgusting.

Aaron

|2009-09-24 19:29:38

It's difficult to frame never mind resolve the basic human contradiction as it
plays out at this uncertain and difficult point in history - adaptive man vs
maladaptive human species?

Vinny

|2009-09-24 20:04:42

STOP MAKING BABIES!

The sick thing is, there are many people in this world who will answer
yes to the poll question!!!!

Every new pregnancy is an affront to
the wel-being of our entire ecosystem.

People will do anything for a
shot of oxytocin.

Kimi	\|2009-09-24 22:18:22

People will do anything for a shot of oxytocin.

Mackenzie Phillips can attest to that.

Anti-Climaticus

|2009-09-25 03:21:40

"The sick thing is, there are many people in this world who will answer yes
to the poll question!!!!"

Yes, it's true but hardly surprising when our
leaders still won't face up to the devastating impact that relentless economic
growth , development and related population increase has wreaked on the planet
and its finite resources in the last one hundred years or so. As for the 9
billion by 2050 figure, that's getting on towards 10% of the total number of
Homo sapiens who have ever lived hitting those already overstretched finite
resources at one time. Plans for baby may blind people to the horrors ahead but
they wont protect baby or anyone else from them.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-25 03:26:21

Again the predictable Eternally Pessimistic response when in some ways the
global population increase is a testament to man's triumph but over nature not
death. We will rise to the challenges.

Angie

|2009-09-25 03:34:02

We?

You'll be fucking dead by 2050 TM.

autotelic

|2009-09-25 03:38:53

Quote:

"the
global population increase is a testament to man's triumph but
over nature not
death."

I can't fucking believe it.
Did I just read this?
Is this your way of
answering yes to the poll question?

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-25 04:02:45

Yes, I suppose it is. It's a question of perspective really autotelic. That so
many people go hungry in the world is unfortunate but that so many are well fed
is what is truly amazing and explains why I am an Eternal Optimist and believe
that continuing to pursue our tried and tested model of economic growth and
development will lift more and more people out of the mire. I want humanity to
succeed and regularly meditate on this. There is no contradiction between my
economic outlook and spiritual beliefs.

Frank

|2009-09-25 03:59:34

There is no contradiction between my economic outlook and spiritual
beliefs.

No question about that bud, they're both fatally flawed.

Anonymous

|2009-09-25 04:03:24

it just sounds odd to hear others talk about man triumphing over nature

Anna	\|2009-09-25 04:18:36

They are too arrogant to see that man is a part of nature.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-25 04:21:12

This is just semantics , you know what I mean.

Angie

|2009-09-25 04:42:33

TM ,

The global ' quick kill culture' being glossed over in Pittsburgh for
theatrical public consumption is incredibly fucking destructive but its backed
by the most powerful institutions and people on earth who equate maintaining
their power , staggering profits , obscene compensation and wealth with the
common good while the common people never get a say. You assume the greed and
selfishness of those powerful institutions and people is redemptive , I think
it's pretty much fucking doomed us a species.

ThePleasantvilleKid

|2009-09-25 04:55:09

By 2050 we are going to be legendary cool to one or two survivors in the know.

YaYa	\|2009-09-25 05:03:39

are you crazy? stop hating on parents.

WalterthePenniless

|2009-09-25 14:18:09

Ya Ya, What's crazy about it? How else do you want us to address the global
population crunch ? - by plugging our ears up and having more children? We all
depend on the planet's finite resources and already desperately compete for
water and food. Although most of the projected population increase will occur in
developing countries it's insane for people like us in developed countries to
pretend its not our problem. Of course it is as this runaway population growth
isnt occuring in a vacuum its happening right alongside global warming and
seismic economic and political paradigm shifts driven by the rise of the
developing nations whose alreading teeming populations aspire to the same
unsustainable standards of living that we're used to.

Hunger and thirst
alone will ensure that the problems migrate towards us on a biblical scale no
matter how deeply we have our heads buried in the sand .

For so many life on
earth simply will not be viable.

If you are really desperate to bestow
the gift of life and care for another vunerable and needy dependent human being
then adopt an unwanted child as there's going to be no shortage of them in the
world or a Senior as by 2030 we'll have over two billion of them to care for .

autotelic - western civilization

|2009-09-25 15:49:35

Quote:

"By 2050 we are going to be legendary cool to one or two survivors in
the know."

Someone took the time to archive every nook and cranny of this website,
and it wasn't us.

NamVet

|2009-09-25 16:03:12

Yeah I'm sure they did and archived this junk in Wayback Machine's 'Commie
Propaganda' section.

Julian VZ

|2009-09-25 16:03:41

so you're going to be famous after the human species becomes extinct, what an
awesome responsibility!

Anonymous - low impact or no impact man?

|2009-09-25 16:10:32

@WalterthePenniless

Dude if you're that concerned about the ecosystem and
the miserable state of humanity then switch off your computer and dedicate it
and your tv, washing machine , car and gay anal vibrator or whatever it is you
use to cope with your mounting existential frustrations to some bleeding heart
charity and go live the life of a low carbon hunter gatherer from a tent in the
Mojave.

Share the Love

AaronP

|2009-09-25 16:39:43

Look on the bright side Julian , fame and celebrity in the Post Human world
aren't going to be tainted by stalkers and the prurient antics of the
paparazzi.

Not that you'll ever amount to anything mind given your past
association with KM but I suppose we could work out some way to enable you to
indirectly bathe in our future glory and posthumously wave from the blasted
sidelines.

Anonymous - short term shelf life

|2009-09-25 17:04:19

poor KM, his fraudulent outsider "regionalism" (haha) isn't enough to
secure him immortal fame.

KM	\|2009-09-25 17:45:56

Immortality may elude me but at least I've tasted critical acclaim and some
genuine artistic success whereas you guys are still struggling to achieve
anything.

D	\|2009-09-26 02:01:22

KM we quietly abandoned artistic struggle a long ago when we realised we were
too cool to have an ego like yours. .

Bibi - where's coco now?

|2009-09-26 02:12:07

Weird that we're discussing fame and celebrity as the new 'Fame' movie is
showing in movie theatres from today almost 30 years after Alan Parker's
orginal got us all fired up to get out there and claw our way to the top of our
game...

"I'm gonna live forever
Baby remember my name "

I
wonder if the songwriters had read Becker.....
.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-26 05:48:06

"we quietly abandoned artistic struggle a long ago"

Aha, I see! ,
that explains the heroic insignificance of the site.

autotelic

|2009-09-26 06:10:24

KM said:

Quote:

at least I've tasted critical acclaim and some
genuine artistic success
whereas you guys are still struggling to achieve
anything.

I actually enjoy my day job. I have achieved quite a bit since I
abandoned the artistic struggle back in 1997!

Kelley, of course
you're going to receive critical acclaim for doing things that don't
matter!

admin

|2009-09-26 06:18:40

It means more to become famous after one dies, it's the greatest indicator
that you were way ahead of everyone else during your lifetime.

Why do you think we laugh so much around here?

TTGD	\|2009-09-26 06:26:34

And if you don't become famous after you die?
Will you then wish that you had
become famous during this lifetime?
It sounds like you have a real need for
'meaningful' recognition.

autotelic

|2009-09-26 06:35:58

It's kind of hard to take this conversation seriously.

I will say this
though, one of the advantages of 'quietly abandoning the artistic struggle', is
that you also lose any kind of touchiness or sensitivity to criticism.

That's
probably been the best part of ageing for me, my irreverence knows no
bounds.

Anonymous

|2009-09-26 06:42:17

This human need for fame and the heroic is weird.

Ok, I know its symbolic
and its supposed to help us deny death , motivate us to scale new dizzying
heights and convince ourselves that we will live forever but here's my problem
with it. Our fictional 'super-heroes' save the world all the time but in
reality saving the world is still seen as less heroic and important than making
lots of money out of destroying it. So maybe we do need to learn to ponder our
heroic insignificance a bit more TM ....maybe we really do.

Frank

|2009-09-26 06:51:26

....mostly though KM is going to receive critical acclaim for things that don't
matter that other people did.

D	\|2009-09-26 07:02:26

"one of the advantages of 'quietly abandoning the artistic struggle',
is
that you also lose any kind of touchiness or sensitivity to
criticism."

This is important as its blind attachment to our heroic
immortality projects - and that's what the artistic struggle is - and our
inability to deal with any criticism or contradiction of them, particularly of
our religious views, that leads to anger, violence and wars.

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-26 07:06:23

Oh come on , one has to be prepared to die for some cause or belief in order to
live.

Bjorn

|2009-09-26 07:08:53

Well I'm prepared to die laughing at the human comedy even though it has a
dreadful ending.

KM	\|2009-09-26 07:15:32

This is beyond me..besides , I'm a young vibrant artist and I'm not ready to
waste my time dwelling on ageing and dying , I'll do that once I have a
dedicated Wikipedia page.

Angie

|2009-09-26 07:17:37

Hey, is that Kelly or Kelley...

Anna	\|2009-09-26 08:05:55

"one of the advantages of 'quietly abandoning the artistic struggle',is
that you also lose any kind of touchiness or sensitivity
to criticism."

autotelic, this reminded me of a passage from St Therese's 'Story of
a Soul' .

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-26 08:09:57

Are you guys using ' abandoning the artistic struggle ' as a euphemism for '
finally growing up'?

MarinCountyHealer

|2009-09-26 08:21:19

We could probably all learn a lot from Th�r�se's 'Little Way' and autotelic I
know you have achieved a lot .

TomorrowPeople - Troll Alert!!!

|2009-09-26 15:08:54

TM,

Are you the same 'TMfocus' who was bounced from the extropy list
recently? He projected an interest in future human development and change but
was always posting the worst possible interpretation of other people's comments
and motives too, the typical provocative behaviour of a Troll. I think you are
the same guy TM as he also described himself as a fellow spiritual traveller
and eternal optimist . I can't prove it's you but I can mark your card as it's
clear from your comments here that you don't have much faith in human nature or
any great optimism in the future and that you're the one who still has a lot of
growing up issues to work through.

autotelic

|2009-09-26 15:55:25

speaking of the great immortality project, I haven't been able to edit my saint
karen website for what feels like the last million years, I can't even change
the image on the front page, the company completely changed the control panel,
so the site really is just a frozen relic now.
Fucking around with ftp is the
last thing I want to do!

Anonymous

|2009-09-26 16:02:05

No TM , it wasn't simply a question of ' growing up ' that's a bit insulting
and a complete misreading as autotelic has always fiercely but maturely
questioned the genius-concept behind a lot of art, you know, the
self-justification of the individual raised above the crowd thing , and just as
vehemently emphasised the impersonal nature of life too. There are implications
to that , re-read what autotelic said about ' quietly abandoning the artistic
struggle ' and think a bit more deeply about how she might have arrived at her
conclusions about what matters in life.

Bjorn - Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft

|2009-09-26 16:40:16

Locked out of one's own Immortality Project, that happened to me to for other
reasons and it's frustrating not so much on the vanity front as simply being
denied Choice ...like we have any real choice over matters immortal but you know
what I mean.

That's the downside of the digital revolution , the internet
is the collective Immortality Project that was literally designed to survive no
matter what and I have no doubt it'll make eternal relics of us all on
billions of frozen hard drives scattered over the surface of a lifeless
planet.

D	\|2009-09-26 17:20:18

"The internet is the collective Immortality Project that was literally
designed to survive no
matter what"

Neat idea but the guys who
designed the net never figured on the eternal curse of Spam and criminal
malicious coders.

On mortal frozen relics , the casket containing the bodily
remains of St Th�r�se of Lisieux just arrived here for a month long tour of 28
Catholic centres of prayer and worship. On the one hand, it seems bizzare that
this kind of primitive superstitious activity persists in the digital age on the
other , boy, with things being so fucking desperate, you really have to question
why there isnt more of it as we definitely need to evolve a 'Little Way '
lifestyle if we want to carry on living on this planet and to be frank, I don't
have much faith that we will for all our technological knowhow.

Maybe I'll
go see St Therese's casket , why not?

Anonymous

|2009-09-26 17:18:04

Quote:

I have no doubt it'll make eternal relics of us all on
billions of frozen
hard drives scattered over the surface of a lifeless
planet.

uh oh, here comes heaven or hell, or a heresy lawsuit in God's
court.

There is a bigger question when it comes to being archived,
like WHY?

Frank

|2009-09-26 17:29:12

"There is a bigger question when it comes to being archived, like
WHY?"

Because it can be!

The way digital technology works anyway simply
means we leave a trail of digital footprints. There are some
pretty sinister explanations too , including the activities of the
Rogue Incinerators .

TTGD	\|2009-09-26 17:40:47

or the trial, are you ready for your trial, can your boundless irreverence
persuade God to drop all charges of heresy that you have brought against
yourself?

Autotelic

|2009-09-26 17:44:25

TTGD, are you the collective superego? Your question about the trial may be the
only question worth asking.

Mid-Ranking Admin

|2009-09-26 17:57:00

You know I'm not even sure the average sinner actually gets to run a defence
before God in the Last Judgment so what hope is there for a fair trial for
unrepentant hardcore serial heretics?

Should we be scared? We need to know!

Site Legal Guy - The Last Judgment , Your Rights Explained

|2009-09-26 23:49:40

It appears there is little agreement among Christian denominations as to
what happens after death and before the Last Judgment so it's
not clear if one can ' Plead the Fifth ' or if the Sixth Amendment
right to an attorney is upheld at all. On the other hand Miranda vs Arizona
probably doesn't stack up too well against an Omniscient Jealous God
so it's probably best not to push it.

I have to say that most religions
view legally representing heretics ( or having anything to do with
them at all ) as anathema and legal aid doesn't extend to charges of
heresy anyway . It's also very unlikely under these circumstances
that anyone would represent you pro-bono .

What does this mean
from a strictly Legal Rights perspective ?

Well it means if you got to
the Last Judgment stage exercising your own Free Will , however you
define it, you no longer have any Rights and you're totally screwed as it
really is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than
kickback in the Eternal Life if God knows you've been peddling heresy.

As to the Last Judgment itself the only working description
I could find of this Divine judicial process was Matthew 25:31�46 ,
World English Bible , a somewhat confusing account of how the
Lord separates "Sheep from Goats" ( uh oh ...I know...) on the basis of what assistance they have been to
Him through their expression of compassion and charity to others less
fortunate than themselves during the course of their mortal life.
This is
the really bad part, I'm sorry autotelic but Mathew
unequivocally states that the Sheep will inherit the Eternal Life and
the Goats " will go away into eternal punishment" ....

Several passages
in the Old Testament also darkly allude to eternal punishment
for heretics but as this site's legal representative I am bound to
advise you of the monopolistic ,monotheistic and immortalising motives of
the bible's allegedly Divinely inspired author's as, well, they would
say that wouldn't they? I hope this is of some material comfort to you.

On the face of it though, Eternal Punishment seems to be
precisely that as there is no mention of any appeals or parole process and
rather un-Christianly there is no time off for good behaviour . No,
after the Last Judgment all bets are off, the Goats are damned.

I also
think we can safely assume that Bjorn will stand before God as a
Goat too as there is no evidence that God recognises diminished
responsibility as a defence or takes account of Borderline traits
when passing Last Judgment on heretics.

On the plus side, it
seems Neitzsche was partly right about Eternal Recurrence .

Frank

|2009-09-27 01:33:11

Right, so what's God's liability for kids being developmentally damaged in the
womb ?

It's not like Jesus was born autistic or with a severe borderline
personality disorder to contend with is it?

Or is it..?

D - population poll questions

|2009-09-27 07:03:44

Click on and read the 'Population: Technology will save us ' item in the
scrolling newsfeed over there, I just noticed it earlier.

Here's a quote
:"Throughout the ages people have doubted that their descendants could
exist, with improving health and longevity, in the numbers and densities we do
now."

He says technology could sustain a population of 20 billion. His
faith in technology in this case is depressing and sends out the wrong message
to people who aren't that keen on changing their lifestyles anyway.

autotelic

|2009-09-27 03:07:58

Quote:

I'm sorry autotelic but Mathew
unequivocally states that the Sheep will
inherit the Eternal Life and
the Goats " will go away
into eternal punishment" ....

I still want to believe that God is willing to negotiate with goats
that became heretics as a result of being damaged in the womb.

Maybe
God (the father, not Jesus) needs a trial of his own.

autotelic

|2009-09-27 03:15:38

Quote:

Locked out of one's own Immortality Project, that happened to me to for
other
reasons and it's frustrating not so much on the vanity front
as simply being
denied Choice .

It was so easy designing my website, and now I can't even change the
greeting pic on my index page. So if I die tomorrow, my book cover won't be the way I want it.

All I want to do is greet people with a cheesy smiley face!

rock-scissors-paper

|2009-09-27 05:27:22

Quote:

All I want to do is greet people with a cheesy smiley face

How much unexpressed pain did you try to bury today? Are you amazed to
be alive, when it could have just as easily been you, rather than all
the others, that died before their time.

Vinny

|2009-09-27 05:33:16

we're not very good at burying pain around here

Vinny

|2009-09-27 05:35:16

Quote:

the Goats are damned.

autotelic

|2009-09-27 05:51:37

I'm just amazed that I was once a child, without a childhood.

How did I
survive things in the first 18 years of my life, that I can't bear thinking
about now?

That's why a few days ago I asked, "what kind of PTSD issues
will the youth of today face when they get to be my age?"

Funny how those
of us that are force fed the truth often can't accept that time has been stolen
from us.

Angie

|2009-09-27 08:07:52

"we're not very good at burying pain around here"

...yeah, (sigh)
we're much better at digging it up

Anonymous - black hole

|2009-09-27 12:12:28

That's why a few days ago I asked, "what kind of PTSD issues will the
youth of today face when they get to be my age?"

Well I attempted a response but within me there's this gaping psychic
black hole in that area between 'what we can't bear remembering'
of our childhood and 'what we are unable to forget' that just starts
emotionally swirling away when anything gets remotely close and it
allows absolutely nothing out, not even words. It's probably the
place where all the lost time is trapped under the weight of so much dark
matter. That so many kids , born or yet to be born, have just this or
similar lifelong trauma to face, I just cant emotionally compute, not
even right now at the level of what their PTSD issues might be .Maybe
it's exacerbated by the tiredness of lingering jetlag, I'll come back to it
as I think every age must generally traumatise kids in a specific way
and I think that's what you were getting at.

A disgruntled Goat

|2009-09-27 10:27:05

I wonder who decided that God despised the rebellious?

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-27 10:32:53

He did.

Bjorn

|2009-09-27 12:03:18

Maybe God (the father, not Jesus) needs a trial of his own.

There's definitely a ' Good Cop, Bad Cop ' aspect but I am sure there
are fundamentalists out there who would happily put Jesus on
trial again for straying too far from the ' fire and brimstone'
approach of the hardline kickass God of the Old Testament. There is a real
disconnect in spiritual outlook and that's what puts me off about
religion, it doesn't really allow one to choose what to believe as at some
level all religions and organised beliefs hate on rebellious Goats
because they were always intended for Sheep.

Anonymous

|2009-09-27 16:35:04

why should God being willing to negotiate with you when he's not willing to
negotiate with anyone else?

Is this yet another personality disorder that has
yet to be named, when people think they can out rationalize God, and guilt him
into submission?

Sounds like a waste of time, not your typical mindless
distraction, but a way of avoiding personal responsibility nonetheless.

autotelic - sins of the father

|2009-09-27 16:43:58

The christian God set the perfect example for psychotic fatherhood.

If he
isn't willing to show his face and account for this in front of mortal judges,
then he really is a coward and isn't in a position where he can command respect.

autotelic

|2009-09-27 16:56:11

sorry God, that wasn't meant to sound so harsh, would you rather that we just
ignore you?

Anonymous

|2009-09-27 21:45:39

Why apologise? The Biblical God created man in His own image to test and torment
fully aware that the original pair would fail the life or death temptation in
Eden and that He would visit eternal punishment on billions of people as a
consequence. The Divine plan could not have been more oppressive or sadistic .
How could anyone have faith in a God that cruel?

TMfocus - meditate for change

|2009-09-28 01:26:24

The comments here are bordering on being blasphemous .Please, show some
consideration and respect for other peoples beliefs.

A disgruntled Goat

|2009-09-27 20:51:28

Eternal Life not Punishment for Goats!!!

Angie - eve's lot after the fall of man

|2009-09-28 01:27:12

Oh Jesus, now it's TM forbidding us to eat the fruit from the Tree of
Knowledge!

Gee, what should we do?

Look , we're just hanging out having a
quiet discussion amongst ourselves about certain aspects of religion , we're
all friends here, everything is cool , ok ? As it happens though I think people
on this board been way too fucking polite and easy on Christianity as the God
of Genesis is a rabidly anti-human gynocidal maniac .

That doesn't mean I
hate on all Christians, I dont , most have changed with the times, I just hate
belief systems and power-structures socially constructed by males which claim
the right to own, control and violently fuck over women .

You see , I dont
think any all powerful Creative force would need to demean women in that way or
concoct virgin births to de-sexualise us and when I look around in the world I
dont see cold masculine logic and authority naturally reflected back , I just
see the damage it does and how it even treats nature as its whore.

Back to
you TM

Night

autotelic

|2009-09-28 04:13:39

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really feeling all of humanity's unmet
needs tonight. I just scarfed down lots of ice cream.

If I
knew how to purge after a binge I would feed my incredible emptiness with pleasure foods all the time.

Vinny

|2009-09-28 05:11:04

Haven't you ever heard the expression, "Nurture Your
Addiction"?

What's worse, being tortured to death, or finding a little
comfort in vice?

Jillian - whatever gets you through the night

|2009-09-28 05:24:14

I also feel the incredible emptiness and insatiable hunger of humanity's unmet
needs.

I'm getting a pedicure, facial, and some new clothes at TJ Maxx
tomorrow.

autotelic

|2009-09-28 05:34:47

Sounds like now is not a good time for anyone here to listen to 'Dusk' by The
The.

I bought a bumper sticker today with a picture of planet earth and word
SOS written above it. The cashier gave me a weary look and asked, 'how you
doing'? I sighed and said, 'I'm feeling really tired, dizzy, and overwhelmed.'

Bjorn

|2009-09-28 09:19:48

" I'm really feeling all of humanity's unmet
needs tonight. "

I read somewhere that humanity's unmet needs can now be seen from
outer space in patterns of power consumption . As Morrisey sang, 'There Is
A Light And It Never Goes Out '.

D - re. whatever gets you through the night

|2009-09-28 11:32:31

Matt Johnson does bleak better than most and there are times when that's a
comfort and there are also times when it most definitely isn't.

Last night I
was open, well, beyond the usual restlessness anyway and I fell asleep
listening to a really pared down accoustic version of Imogen Heap's 'Wait it
Out' and it must have endlessly repeated overnight as it was still playing when
I came to this morning, like I needed to be subliminally prompted to wake up
with the same old thoughts of existential dread.

Frank

|2009-09-28 11:52:06

We all have our vices, weaknesses and addictions but I definitely prefer the
company of those who make a virtue of vice to those who make a vice out of
virtue , like TM.

I'm also through with the binge eating .

admin1 - Coming to Terms with Being a Self Help Freak

|2009-09-28 14:53:12

I'm suffering and my main addiction is consuming Self-Help books, it's become a
raging habit. The books aren't helping with the suffering any apart from
providing a literary framework on which to hang my ever shifting neurosis and
anti-social Borderline traits. I'm probably using reading as a substitute for
human contact and sex. It's pathetic really but I'm hooked. Someone needs to
take on the evil Self-Help racket and tell people the awful truth, that we
simply suffer as a natural consequence of the relentless universal battle for
gene survival and that's all there is to it.

autotelic - helpline operator

|2009-09-28 15:44:20

Quote:

I read somewhere that humanity's unmet needs can now be seen from
outer
space in patterns of power consumption

{tis related}

Quote:

On mortal frozen relics , the casket containing the bodily
remains of St
Th�r�se of Lisieux just arrived here for a month long tour of
28
Catholic centres of prayer and worship. On the one hand, it seems
bizzare that
this kind of primitive superstitious activity persists in the
digital age on the
other , boy, with things being so
fucking desperate, you really have to question
why there isnt more of
it as we definitely need to evolve a 'Little Way '
lifestyle if we want to
carry on living on this planet and to be frank, I don't
have much
faith that we will for all our technological knowhow

Noel - Dont Look Back in Anger!

|2009-09-28 23:22:38

"I read somewhere that humanity's unmet needs can now be seen from space in
the patterns of power consumption "

.... from 73 miles up the
bioluminescence of human loneliness probably looks a lot cooler than loneliness
feels down here on Earth

D	\|2009-09-30 01:35:14

Had another brutal reminder today of the extent to which most social interaction
out there seems to be carefully choreographed ritualistic behaviour i'm
completely out of step with. Where and when did people learn this stuff?

Time
for another pic I think.

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